STATE Insurance – The Investigation

Our Beautiful House was destroyed by fire on the night of 9 September ’11.

Inside destroyed

Maurice FLETCHER of Whangarei

Maurice Fletcher, a private investigator working for STATE Insurance met me a couple of days after the fire, it was at the site, my skin still crawled when I looked at the damage to our much loved house

He immediately told me that he was in charge, not to contact anybody else or it would cause delays. He also said he would quickly find the cause of the fire, that he would find out how WE had done it!
I was shocked to be immediately accused in this way, with a serious heart condition stress has to be avoided and the stress level was intense without being openly designated as an arsonist even before the investigator had collected any evidence at all.

I struggled to walk around the site with him in the same way as I had with the Police and Fire Brigade, it was only the second time I had actually gone near the remains of the building. I left him digging in the ashes, looking for the evidence he sought.

The Hallway 

 The Fire Brigade had cleared this area following the fire. They obviously considered it as a possible source of fire area. The hallway was utterly destroyed, the main staircase was located here, winding up to the main living area. The room was almost empty, an entrance hall with a couple of pieces of furniture and some pictures on the wall.
The investigators cleared it further, the intense heat cracked the thick Italian floor tiles.

He later visited the neighbor that we had stayed with on the night following the fire, leaving them in no doubt that he thought we were criminals and warning them not to assist us. We decided not to contact our good friends in Kerikeri to stop them being exposed to this sort of intimidation and upset.

The next day he came to our little house in Paihia, he interviewed us all individually, using a recording device. He actually asked my wife and daughter if they knew how I had set the fire! Naturally, they didn’t respond well to this line of questioning and investigation.

He went on repeatedly about minute details such as, what we did on the way out of the house, who left first, second and last etc. It is very difficult to recall such data 5 or 6 days after a dramatic event even if you are well, in shock, ill with endless symptoms including mental confusion making giving accurate answers to the questions impossible.

As he left, my wife showed him out and I picked up my MacBook, to check for email. It went mad, flashing that a new network had been found every time there was a noise. I scribbled on a sheet of paper, “The room is bugged! Ham it up!” We did a quick search but found nothing so sat down and acted out a little scene to see if we could send Maurice running in circles, double entente statements that a suspicious idiot could interpret any way he liked whilst actually saying little! It may have been paranoia but Maurice called the next morning and said he had a few more questions, I suspect he only came to pick up his bug since the MacBook stopped reporting new networks once he had left! Such bugging without a Court order is illegal of course and totally inadmissible!

He explained that since we were 300Km away from the house when the fire started he would have to investigate if we had employed somebody to set the fire for us. He wanted the details of our bank accounts, our telephone and mobile accounts. We gave him everything but it took weeks before he asked Vodafone to confirm the sheet of data we gave him hadn’t been ‘edited’ by us in some way. The banks were also contacted to verify the statements were genuine, weeks passed whilst these checks were done. We supplied all the info he requested, some difficulty was recorded when he wanted details of the companies I was involved with in the UK during the 1980′s, memory and numbers involved make such memories beyond me, he couldn’t explain why they were relevant to the investigation.

One event caused us immense distress, Maurice called and asked if there were any stones deliberately or artistically placed in the house! It became clear that they had found stones inside the building, particularly in the library and hall, areas which the investigators and Fire Brigade had excavated in detail being obvious centers of intense fire. We confirmed that we had no stones in the house. It became a serious worry to us that if stones were in the house then they may have been used by an arsonist to break the windows before introducing an inflamitant. Could this have been an attempt on our lives? The cars locked in the garage and the light we had left switching on and off in the kitchen would have made it appear that we were in the house.

Following these questions we have retreated further, now avoiding visiting Kerikeri as much as possible.

Stones

Around the garden, the borders are edged with large stones bought from the Waipapa Garden Supplies site. The stones had been laid out carefully in areas close to the house such as this border close to the front of the house. Same border is shown in both pix but at different alignments.
 
Garden Stones around the borders!
You can easily see that many large stones are missing from the left hand end of the border, large stones like the ones on the right should border the area. Weeds have grown in the soil exposed by their movement. They may have been moved by the firefighters but we can not find them nearby.

The investigators took great interest in our PC systems, they searched for them, hoping to recover the data off the hard disks!
Daughter Eleanor’s PC was easy to find, her room was heat and smoke damaged at the far end of the building but the computer was intact.
My main PC was invisible initially, the floor of the office had collapsed but the floor itself looked undamaged. The weather and movement in the ruins of the house finally exposed it and the fire investigator recovered the drives. It is in remarkably good condition.

 PC from office!
My PC
 
The PC had been in my office, the floor had collapsed tipping the contents down to the ground floor but the PC clearly only suffered heat damage, the plastic parts on the exterior have melted but the hard drives were removable.
The new power supply and super graphics card I had upgraded to in last couple of months are visible in reasonable condition in this photo.

 

I had given details of the furniture and layout in the house early in the investigation but somehow they misunderstood the contents of the library which it has become clear is the area that the investigators consider was the center of the original fire.

 Library – Center of the Fire?
The library was apparently the center of the fire, the room contained two sofas along with a Piano, a keyboard, and a guitar. All sold over the weekend on Trade Me but were destroyed. On the sofa I believe I left a Dell Latitude laptop after using it after two people who viewed the piano on the day before the fire. One left saying they would ‘Buy Now!’
immediately, I checked Trade Me to see if this had happened.
Library Floor exposed

The furniture had been moved around to take photographs for Trade Me, the large sofa was under the window, directly in the center of the excavated area, the laptop was on the floor next to it until I picked it up to use the day before the fire. I believe I left it on the sofa.

Many of the items seen in the picture above were being sold on Trade Me, most sales completed whilst we were away or in the days following the fire, many hundreds of dollars of sales had to be cancelled and refunded since the goods had been destroyed. Many weeks after the fire the investigators returned to search for the laptop in the library!

The Laptop – A Possible Cause?

Our laptop was part of the Lodge set up, giving internet access to our guests in the Library Suite.
 
Unlike my PC, the laptop has clearly been right in the center of the intense fire. No chance of recovering any data here!
It was found in the ashes that had been dug out of the Library on the day following the fire. After a few days of heavy rain had washed and cleaned the debris, the edge of the laptop case became visible, it fell apart when picked up.
 

A few weeks ago, Maurice called me to ask if he could come and ask us some more important questions, he wanted to question us separately to try to sort out some inconsistencies in the investigation. Andrew Hooker had told me not to discuss anything with Maurice without checking with him first. He wrote to STATE Insurance suggesting that the meeting take place at his office with him present to prevent Maurice setting traps for us in the questioning. Oddly the questioning never took place, we have been waiting to meet Maurice for several weeks but no more has been heard! Maybe the thought of Andrew being present is too much for Maurice! He certainly wouldn’t be able to take the accusatory line he took on our initial interviews if he had a witness!

More recently, Maurie Fletcher has been asking us for HISTORICAL details of companies I ran in the UK! This was in the late 1970′s and 1980′s! We left UK over 10 years ago, moving to France before coming to NZ, he has also been chasing us for the details of the Chateau we owned and ran as a business there! We sold it as a going concern and it is still owned by the buyers who are happily trading!
We can see no relevance to the claim of any of these inquiries, we did nothing wrong then nor now but what could Maurice be looking for?

We answered all the questions that STATE Insurance asked when we set up the insurance policy with great care and accuracy, the policy explains the ‘Duty of Disclosure’

‘Keeping us informed

When you apply for insurance with us, you have an important ‘duty of disclosure’. This means that you must:
`    give us all the information that a prudent insurer needs to decide whether to accept or decline your application for insurance. If we accept your application, it includes information that a prudent insurer needs to decide the cost of your insurance and the terms and conditions that will apply (including the excess), and
`    provide us with true, accurate and complete information, even if you think it isn’t important.
If you don’t tell us, your insurance policy may not be valid and you may not be covered if you want to make a claim.

You must tell us about anything that could affect your insurance with us.
For example, you must tell us:
` if the home will not be lived in for more than 60 consecutive days
` if the home will be occupied by a tenant
` if you have been convicted of a criminal offence in the last 7-years
` if the home will be altered or added to
` if you have been declined or refused insurance in the last 5-years
` if there has been any material change in circumstances since the policy started
` if you insure your home again with anyone else

These examples are only a guide.
Remember, we provide your insurance based on the information you gave us when you applied for it. If anything changes, or if you expect something to change, you must let us know or your policy may be unenforceable.
Please ask us if you’re not sure if you should tell us about something.’

I don’t see anything there about disclosing what we did for a living 30 years ago here on the other side of the planet! We didn’t do anything now or then that would cause any insurance company a problem. We have had insurance policies all our life, occasionally making genuine claims that amounted to far less than the premiums we have paid in that period as everybody does!

After more than 6 months, it is clear that the investigation does not have a conclusive case against us, that would be impossible since we know we had no connection with the fire. Maurice Fletcher doesn’t understand how we live, he seems to have no idea of finance, resources or how a balance sheet works. Since our lifestyle makes no sense to him, he constantly and stupidly asks if we are going to go bankrupt and other similar questions.
The Insurance claim covers only the building, the site is valuable and the claim doesn’t affect the toxin problem. In any case, the cover is to rebuild the property as the first option. We under insured the contents as do most people, not allowing for all the small bits and pieces that will cost a considerable amount to replace.

We pointed out to him that we had sold many items on Trade Me that had not been collected, even refusing a cash offer for the piano in the library the day before we left. A minor change in timing, had we had any knowledge of the coming fire would have netted us thousands of dollars in cash.

The cars had both been very recently WOF’d and licensed, the Mercedes was my pride and joy, it was far more valuable than the car we went away in, insignificant compared to the house but it would have been obvious to save it if we had been planning the fire.

All the legal evidence for the High Court cases had all been destroyed, it would have been simple to put the folder in the car we went away in but it was left behind and lost.

The pollution from the fire itself means any soil sampling will be useless for several years. See our ODD FACTS page for more info on the evidence that shows we had no part of the fire!

Another incident occurred just before Xmas, Mr Fletcher called us,  he wanted to ask us a few questions and asked for our address, I explained the security issue he said we had nothing to fear from him and that he wanted to return some items to us. WE thought that maybe some items in the safe had survived, Alison was ken to know so, reluctantly, we gave him the address, he agreed to call us the next day to fix an appointment.

The next day the Kerikeri Police arrived with a Search Warrant to remove our laptops! We handed them my MacBook and a Toshiba, they were visibly excited, one used their mobile phone and a very exuberant Mr Fletcher arrived just a couple of minutes later!

He told us the investigation was very nearly over, smiling broadly! Unknown to him my daughter had, in the mean time, supplied the Police officer with the receipt for her new Toshiba laptop that she had purchased a couple of weeks after the fire so she could complete her university studies at home.

The Police officer called Mr Fletcher out of our room to speak to him, he returned somewhat deflated! We asked for the items that he said that he was returning, there were none!

Then the Police office came in asked him “Is there was anything else we can do for you, Maurie?”

This rather spoilt his claim that the Police action had nothing to do with him! He told us that there had been lots of work at the fire site the day before and asked about a few things they had found but there was obviously nothing conclusive. We found the site had been ravaged by a large digger with large areas being cleared, very different to the care and fine technique of Russell, see image above for a view of his work in the same area! Any evidence that had been there to explain the fire was almost certainly destroyed by these actions, we may never find out what caused it now!


It is clear, on reflection, that the desperate search at the fire site had been looking for the remains of the Toshiba Laptop that had been destroyed or may have even caused the fire. They hadn’t found it so Maurice thought that we still had it and had not declared it to the insurance company. Being an ex-policeman it was easy to get them to obtain a search warrant and grab the incriminating laptop. When the Police actually found a Toshiba laptop he must have been wildly excited, they called him and he arrived just two minutes later so he was clearly just waiting around the corner!

He was so happy, pleased to tell us the investigation was nearly over and we would hear from State in a day or two but then the bombshell of the proof that it was a new Toshiba laptop and not the one we knew had been destroyed utterly flattened him!

We have not heard a word from him since! Nor a single word from State Insurance, the Police or any other interested party. Any claim of an on-going investigation is utter rubbish!

Maurice broke his word, destroyed our trust and violated our privacy. He built us up by telling us the investigation was nearly over and yet, months later, nothing more has happened!

At that time we were living in a friends house, my daughter’s horse was still at the property and we visited it on most days. It was heartbreaking to see to carnage to the site caused by the fire, the amount of material moved by the digger was huge, a vast area of the house had been cleared.

The laptops were returned two weeks later, the MacBook had been clumsily opened, a screw was left protruding, the case scratched, it has been performing oddly ever since. The Toshiba has also been affected, seeming to be very slow at times.

Weeks later when we were getting ready to leave the area when our neighbour, who kept an eye on our horse for us, reported that two men had been standing in the ruins for a long time the day before, ‘scratching their heads.’

I wandered about the site trying to see what they had been so puzzled by, something flashed in the ashes, exposed by the rain! I looked more carefully and saw an object that was remarkably like a mirror, it took me only seconds to recognise it as a 2.5inch hard disk drive, or rather the remains of one! The exposed edge of the platter was glinting in the sunshine!

I went back to the car to get a camera and took these pictures -

This is the inner wall of the library, the Toshiba was roughly above this on the 1st floor.

The little Alice in Wonderland books are tiny, the drive is dead centre, you can just see the edge of the circular platter! (see below!)

 

This is the underside, the steel case of the drive, not badly damaged in the fire!

You can see the three platters of the data storing disks in the drive here! A modern laptop drive, about 12mm thick before the fire expanded it!

This surface of the disk is still mirror finished, it reflected the sunlight.

The drive is undoubtedly a 2.5inch laptop drive, the laptop itself would have been almost all plastic and alloy which would burn easily. Only the HDD survived having a steel shell, moved about by the big digger Maurice employed searching for the laptop and then exposed by the rain. I left it were I found it! I sent these pictures to Andrew Hooker and we decided to wait to see if the case concluded before publishing them.

After 40+ years in the microcomputer industry I can probably recognise these parts better than anyone else in NZ. I’m not surprised Maurice missed it, he was looking for the remains of a laptop, something big like the old Dell pictured above, modern laptops like this Toshiba are almost totally made of flammable materials, an alloy frame often magnesium with plastic cover and inners all of which would be easily destroyed in a fire!

The fire was a disaster for us, we don’t need STATE Insurance treating us like criminals without the slightest bit of evidence. After suffering such a devastating event we deserved compassion, help and assistance not the callous, tight fisted, commercial attitude of STATE Insurance and its puppet investigators.

Now over 6 months after the fire we wonder what DREADFUL INCRIMINATING FACTS are causing the investigation to drag on and on! We know there can be no actual evidence since we didn’t cause the fire or have anything to do with it!

As in most cases like this it will look like there is loads of circumstantial stuff that we know got Maurice excited but it is all easily and innocently explained!

The water in the house was contaminated!
Well, yes it was, we had discovered high levels of Arsenic and Lead which accounted for the families bad health since we moved into the property but since the source of the toxins was spray residue on the land, burning down the house doesn’t solve anything. The land isn’t insured, the house may be rebuilt on the land or we may move but we will still own the land and that is where the problem lies!

The bank were about to foreclose!
We had built up a significant overdraft due to being so ill for almost 6 years with the effects of the toxins, one of which, mental confusion, stopped us even realising there was a real problem financially. The problem with the bank only began because we informed them of the situation with the contamination, we asked them for help! They promised to help and then their attitude changed and they started to demand repayment. Oddly and difficult for Maurice to explain is why I spend hours on 8th Sept, the day before the fire, writing a long email to the bank that contained a settlement offer that was fair and generous that would have removed the bank issue from our lives.

Alison was desperate to go back to the UK!
One of the effects of toxic poisoning is depression, my wife blamed NZ for her illness and position and naturally felt that going ‘home’ would solve the problems. There was no actuality to the desire, we had been considering moving to the Waikato if the house had sold!

We went away, the cats were in a cattery and the dogs went with us whilst the house burnt!
We bless our good fortune here, normally daughter Eleanor would have stayed at home looking after the animals whilst we went away. If this had happened from the descriptions we got of the fire from neighbours she would have had little or no chance of escaping! We had been burgled just ten days earlier, Eleanor had been talking about moving to Waikato University for some time and we wanted some time away from the house where we felt threatened after the break in. Nothing significant, sales of some of the Lodge fitting were going on Trade Me over the weekend but we decided to go to reduce the stress caused by the break in!

We took our passports away with us rather than leaving them to burn in the fire!
Having traveled all over the World and relied on our passports for ID at all times it was natural to take them as we had done every time we went away. One of the main considerations was, and still is, that Alison’s mother is 84 yo, a widow, frail and lives alone in the UK, she could need urgent assistance in a medical emergency from her only daughter at any time, traveling back to Kerikeri to pick things would not be sensible. We take our passports with us whenever we venture more than an hour or two away from home.

We dumped valuable possessions at the Motel in Hamilton, having taken them away with us to save them from the fire!
The car was overloaded, not with things that needed saving but with Eleanor’s artwork portfolio that she was taking to the University to discuss her moving there to continue her studies, her riding gear so she could ride a horse that was advertised as a potential purchase and of course the extra stuff that the dogs needed. We had unpacked at the Motel, when we got the phone call about the fire Alison and I went into shock, it was awful! Eleanor tried to repack the car but there was so much stuff that was not packed, the hotel receptionist tried to help, then suggested leaving some of it behind which we did. It wasn’t our suggestion at all! The stuff left behind was all Ellie’s artwork, most of her riding gear and a bag of her clothes including the old jewellery box that she has had for many years, it contained nothing of any real value, just trinkets and dress jewellery, hence it was just left behind without a second thought. Maurice only found out about these things because we told him we had left them behind.

 

Mind you, in view of  the apparent STATE Insurance company policy to avoid paying claims – STATE INSURANCE – Delay, Deny, Defend would anything we say or do make any difference, I doubt it!

 

 

11 Responses to “STATE Insurance – The Investigation”

  1. Been there, done that!

    It took Tower over six months before we went to court!
    They had no real evidence at all so Judge threw case out very quickly but prep had token nuther 6 months.
    We got our claim paid and a lot more but the pain was afful.

    Stik in there guy!

  2. Lizzie B says:

    Hi Chris

    Long time no see!
    I found your page when I looked up your house in NZ, the position looks dreadful. I cannot believe insurance companies here in Europe would behave that badly, here you are innocent until there is proof otherwise!

    You will remember Ragamuffin, she was destroyed by fire the insurance company suspected foul play but paid the owners for accommodation costs until they found out what happened! It was a simple electrical fault which when discovered led to a quick settlement. I believe house insurance works the same way here!

    Are you going to update the site with everything that happens? I’m sure loads of people would like to know all the details and it will prevent the insurers being too dirty if every letter is published on the WWW!

    I was looking for you to see if you still owned Jakima, apparently not since I guess you would just sail away from New Zealand if you had! I have a client looking for a good classic Swan 53 and Jakima was superb!

    I will watch the site with great interest, good luck!

    Lizzie!

  3. ChrisR says:

    Lizzie, how are you? A long time and a World ago since we last had dinner!

    Jakima is long gone I’m afraid, in Italy again I think, you are right we would have just escaped for a long trip and let State Insurance sort it in our absence! There is nothing we can add really, we have no idea what happened!
    Jealousy, spite, revenge for the damage to the housing market our site possibly caused, we have no idea! We may all be chasing rainbows anyway, it could just have been an accident that left no trace!

    All the yachting trophies, my RORC medal, the tankards, photos of Jakima and the others all gone and can never be replaced, I’m gutted when I think about it all!

    You are correct, I plan to post every letter, every detail if we have to go to a court case. The people of NZ deserve to see how the largest insurer in the country behaves in these circumstances. It will lose them lots of sales and maybe make them take a moment before hitting us again and again!

    Thanks for the message

    Chris R

  4. Fiona Green says:

    Sucks! You may be f’ing firebugs but Insure comp cant prove it or they wood have donit already.
    If they cant they must pay yu or suffer the damage of court case.
    They is playing games with yu and yu must make um pay big time! Theys hoping yu run out of dough and have to run away or take a petty offer! No way to run insure comp – what happened to good ol honesty!
    No State here but they would loose all stupid buyers in no time if this story was told in the USA!

  5. ChrisR says:

    Hi Fiona

    Thanks for the comment. You are correct, if State had evidence they would have ended it long ago but as we had nothing to do with it there can be no evidence to link us to the fire!

    They are losing clients now due to this blog, they blame the delay on the continuing investigation but for months now nothing has happened. It is just an excuse for ignoring our claim!

  6. Jerrie Stevens says:

    F’me I thought New Zealand was a great place – it sucks if your story is true.

  7. Thomas Bishop says:

    Just add one more US based swallow family cancelling their NZ State Insurance policy – every little helps you and safer for us too.

  8. Shocked! says:

    Family has business in Wellington, insured by State, will change!
    Here in Jakata things like your life happen lots. I shocked to hear it in New Zeeland.

  9. Message relay says:

    I found your story on a blog here, all very sad and made worse by the number of posts that seem certain that the insurance company is right not to pay since they think you caused the fire! However, one extensive and expert post set the matter right, you may not have seen it so I have copied it below. As is normal, in the world of spam, the poster did not use his real email.

    ‘I’m Red Mike from Massachusetts, a retired fire investigator with over 35years experience in that field. I am distressed by the Killara story and the sad response it has garnered from the previous posts. Most of which, it seems have not even read the details on the original blog.

    Now, I agree that large modern residences rarely burn down to the ground due to accidental events, however Arson Fraudsters have many problems, mainly how to set a fire on a scale extensive enough to guarantee total destruction whilst leaving no evidence of their involvement. Commonly, large volumes, often gallons of accelerator, mostly gasoline, are used to ensure the spread of the fire thru the residence. This brings problems, firstly that traces of gasoline are usually easily detected in the ash remains and it is volatile, loosing significant effectiveness rapidly after dispersion. Then there is the problem of ignition, igniting the fire is easy if the ignition is done first hand, a match is dropped or a candle left burning near the gasoline. A time delay is far more difficult to construct, firstly there is the problem of reliability, the arsonist cannot take the chance of a misfire, having to return to a site where his work has been discovered before the fire occurred. Secondly, the mechanism must be totally destroyed by the fire itself, necessitating that it is totally flammable. Any metal parts used in the device will be easily found by an investigator such as I and any good investigator will know what to look for. I have seen hundreds of devices, everyone of which left evidence of its existence, I probably missed some very complex devices that had been built and tested over long periods of time but that is part of life, you cannot win every time.

    In this case, it seems the investigation has gone on for many months. If accelerator or an ignition device had been found the Insurance company would have immediately rejected the claim. They may not have had the policy stakeholder arrested since the standard of proof required is not as rigorous as required in a criminal court. Letting the matter continue and letting the policy stakeholders blog to continue to damage their business reputation demonstrates their inability to prove the incident was caused by the policy stakeholder.

    With no obvious cause or method of ignition with the policy stakeholders distanced from the residence for most of a day before the fire, life is getting difficult for the insurance company.

    Fascinated, I began to look at the blog in more detail. The house was monumental, an enormous structure that was almost totally destroyed by the fire, reported as very violent by observers.
    Now in the US over the last 30 years, my span of experience, house fires have decreased in number by almost 50%, the number of houses destroyed to this extent in recent years has been very small.
    This decline is almost entirely due to changes in the Fire Code, building practices, decrease in the number of smokers and the publicity about flammable items, particularly furniture in residences.
    As I studied the photographs of the interior, downloaded from the blog – houseloss-state.pdf alarm bells started to sound in my brain. 30 years ago this sort of fire was far more common, I recall many fires where people had died in a closed house due to a old or drunk John Doe dropping a cigarette onto the couch when they had fallen asleep whilst smoking. The houses were largely wood, with paneling and decorative wooded ceilings, they were not built to resist fire or increase the chances of people escaping a conflagration as the Fire Code now requires.

    Killara, the house in this case was built recently, apparently not by the policy stakeholder but it had incredible amounts of paneling, decorative wooden ceilings and a large amount of built in wooden furniture. It was extensively air conditioned leaving all the timber tinder dry, there was no sprinkler system and no fire water supply since it was rurally located. If the designer had been planning a house to burn down as quickly as possible then this was very close to optimal design.

    The investigators have apparently identified the site of the fire source as the Library. Photographs show a room off the hall next to the front entrance to the residence. Notable in these photographs are two large sofas. The photograph after the fire shows no remains of these sofas at all, I checked on the position in New Zealand in respect of fire resistant poly foam in furniture and it is not in wide distribution, nor are products marked as flammable as is now regulation in the US.

    Visible on the photographs of the remaining interior is very serious internal scorching, heavy smoke damage and structural failure where most of the timber framework exposed has been destroyed after the drywall failed.

    A viable explanation of the visible damage is that a fire started in one of the sofas in the Library, in a modern house with good seals this would have been oxygen restricted very quickly. Dense, black, cyanide toxic, highly inflammable, smoke would have filled the room in minutes after the fire started, temperature rapidly climbing to over 1500F when all the combustible material in the room would have been ready to burn, the smoke would have gone through the door into the wood lined hall and stairwell and filled the rest of the house. Any residents at that point would have been rendered unconscious in seconds and had no chance of escape, the policy stakeholder and family were extremely fortunate not to have been present. A window somewhere in the smoke zone would have failed letting a large volume of oxygen into the residence, the whole house would then have experienced a flash over, all the combustibles would have burnt simultaneously, the structure failing as the temperature climbed twisting the steel frame and causing collapse. During flash over items get violently and randomly moved, looking at a the original location for an item is not always productive, even heavy items, stoves, automobiles and the like can be thrown many feet away from their expected point of reference.

    It appears there was a breeze from right to left which would have fanned the flames, the right end of the residence being burnt out from the inside but spared the continuing fire, possibly due to the firefighters arriving at the scene. The one room that remained almost undamaged until the floor collapsed was the small office, probably due to its size and having a closed, well fitting door well upwind of the blaze center.

    Naturally, I cannot see what started the fire in the sofa. I have no experience of a laptop itself causing such a fire, the power supply unit, if faulty could have been responsible as could the power cable if old, damaged or chewed by rodents or dogs. Depending on the covering material sofas are usually quite difficult to ignite, see the videos on http://www.fosterfoster.com/CM/Custom/TOCFireVideoGallery.asp
    Cigarettes, candles and the like work well, a small constant fire source is required, remote devices would be difficult to arrange without leaving significant evidence.

    A few facts point to a probable scenario, the Library window was under a second floor structure, it was hard to see and the sound of a breaking window would not have traveled far. A stone had been used to breach the rear entrance, in an earlier event and stones were obviously missing from an area close to the Library window, these are visibly missing on the blog photographs. The investigators apparently found stones in the Library and other places. I would postulate that person or persons unknown using one of these large stones, smashed a hole in the library window and introduced a small burning object onto the sofa below the window. They could then watch progress for a few minutes before leaving the scene or observing from further away.

    I cannot see how the policy stakeholder could have caused ignition from a large distance. The uncertainty to the amount of damage from a single source point nor the effect of the burning sofa would have made it extremely unpredictable even if a tenable ignition device was in some way undetectably used. This fire pattern therefore does not fit my experience of deliberate fires set by policy stakeholders. I would recommend them to seek the services of an independent, accredited Fire Investigator if they exist in new Zealand. I’m confident their findings, looking at the photographic evidence, would mirror mine.’

  10. ChrisR says:

    Thank you Mike for a very informative post.

    It puts a lot of events into context, we brought most of the furniture from the UK where all upholstery must be made of treated, fire resistant foam but the sofas in the library were purchased from the house owner for use whilst the UK container arrived. Two sofas in the family room above were bought in NZ too, we were, until very recently unaware that flammable foam was used in furniture in NZ!

    Now the break in, 10 days before the fire, could have been to check where to set the planned fire, nothing was taken but I wonder if a library sofa had a sample of foam removed to check for its flammability.
    We were basically terrorised out of the house following the break in, loud noises outside at night, lights were turned on outside every night. After the fire, Police found beer bottles and cigarette butts in the barn, a packet of firelighters was prominent too but they were usually in the barn, the position had possibly changed.

    If you are right, then these people probably used one of the stones to smash a hole in the library window then could have dropped a lit firelighter onto the sofa below the window knowing it would burn like hell and probably take the house and all the contents with it. (Including the Pollution evidence?) They then just stood in the barn, drinking beer and smoking watching the fireworks!

    Proof of this all being correct would be if one of the large stones apparently found in the library showed signs of being in the fire itself, not being a later addition. It would be hard to see another reason for it being there except if it had been used to break the window.

    The investigators would know but their job, apparently, is not to find out the cause of the fire but to find a reason not to pay the claim!

  11. Kiwi in Brazil says:

    I thought Brazil was bad, I am a lawyer here! I never thought my own country acted like this!
    Shocking, I think I will stay here now!
    I’m surprised State let you get away with telling the facts like you do, it must be hurting them bigtime and hurting you to.
    Looks like time for a compromise, I’d offer them a way out that gives you a fair deal and no more. I guess the courts may give you a huge sum in damages but risk is high and it may take ages!

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